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« on: December 15, 2009, 10:34 AM »

The people that do these things have traced the original version of this popular carol back to an old Yorkshire Folk Song

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On Ilkla Mooar baht 'at.......     yea rock on Yorkshire....

   

        Wheear 'ast ta bin sin' ah saw thee, ah saw thee?

            On Ilkla Mooar baht 'at

        Wheear 'ast ta bin sin' ah saw thee, ah saw thee?
        Wheear 'ast ta bin sin' ah saw thee?

            On Ilkla Mooar baht 'at
            On Ilkla Mooar baht 'at
            On Ilkla Mooar baht 'at

        Tha's been a cooartin' Mary Jane

        Tha's bahn' to catch thy deeath o` cowd

        Then us'll ha' to bury thee

        Then t'worms'll come an` eyt thee up

        Then t'ducks'll come an` eyt up t'worms

        Then us'll go an` eyt up t'ducks

        Then us'll all ha' etten thee

        That's wheear we get us ooan back



                Translation

                    Where have you been since I last saw you, last saw you?

                        On Ilkley Moor without a hat

                    Where have you been since I last saw you, last saw you?
                    Where have you been since I last saw you?

                        On Ilkley Moor without a hat
                        On Ilkley Moor without a hat
                        On Ilkley Moor without a hat

                    You have been courting Mary Jane

                    You are bound to catch your death of cold

                    Then we will have to bury you

                    Then the worms will come and eat you up

                    Then the ducks will come and eat up the worms

                    Then we will go and eat up the ducks

                    Then we will have eaten you

                    That's where we get our own back



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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2009, 2:33 PM »

Oh i remember this brian-haven't heard it for years!
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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2009, 3:20 PM »

I believe the Yorkshire original came from Welsh travellers who sang:

Ble fuest er Barha lifia 'ch , bara lifia 'ch?
Acha 'r Chlun heb het
Ble fuest er Barha lifia 'ch , bara lifia 'ch?
Ble fuest er Barha lifia 'ch?
Acha 'r Chlun heb het
Acha 'r Chlun heb het
Acha 'r Chlun heb het
Buest yn caru Mair Siān
Ach ffinia at dal 'ch addoed chan annwyd
'na cawn at chladd 'ch
'na 'r abwydod ewyllysia d a bori 'ch i fyny
'na 'r hwyaid ewyllysia d a bori i fyny 'r abwydod
'na awn a bori i fyny 'r hwyaid 'na cawn boredig 'ch
Sy ble cawn 'n addef bacia
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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2009, 5:15 PM »

Because shepherding requires a lot of waiting around for the sheep, shepherds should have enough time to do their laundry in the daylight hours.  I have never understood why the shepherds washed their socks by night.
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« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2009, 2:07 AM »

I believe the Yorkshire original came from Welsh travellers who sang:

Ble fuest er Barha lifia 'ch , bara lifia 'ch?
Acha 'r Chlun heb het
Ble fuest er Barha lifia 'ch , bara lifia 'ch?
Ble fuest er Barha lifia 'ch?
Acha 'r Chlun heb het
Acha 'r Chlun heb het
Acha 'r Chlun heb het
Buest yn caru Mair Siān
Ach ffinia at dal 'ch addoed chan annwyd
'na cawn at chladd 'ch
'na 'r abwydod ewyllysia d a bori 'ch i fyny
'na 'r hwyaid ewyllysia d a bori i fyny 'r abwydod
'na awn a bori i fyny 'r hwyaid 'na cawn boredig 'ch
Sy ble cawn 'n addef bacia

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« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2009, 11:41 PM »

As a Yorkshireman, I had no problem with this.  Here are a few Black country expressions:
Taywuffit
Dopodge
Erbayyampy
Gooinwumnah
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« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2009, 9:55 PM »

Some of the words sound familiar to me too.  Is Yorkshire in any way related to English? Huh
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« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2009, 10:27 PM »

Is Yorkshire in any way related to English? Huh
I don't think so.  I have an "O Level" in English and I haven't understood a word of it.  Tongue

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« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2009, 10:58 PM »

Taywuffit - It isn't worth it
Dopodge - Don't push
Erbayyampy - She isn't yampy (mentally touched)
Gooinwumnah - Going home now
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2009, 7:52 PM »

quote from Scoundrel...

Some of the words sound familiar to me too.  Is Yorkshire in any way related to English...

Its horses for courses.   Yorky talk is a very lazy language   we drop a few letters along the way that don't seem to add anything and are just along for the ride...    I bet if you read the original English language you would have as much difficulty in understanding it.... ( they had far too many e's in those days )

Yorky language is just the English language that's grown up and matured a bit....    Cheesy



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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2009, 11:38 PM »

Treat people as tha wud be tret

By eck tha's nesh!

Are ya laikin?
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« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2009, 12:56 AM »

Yorky talk is a very lazy language   we drop a few letters along the way that don't seem to add anything and are just along for the ride...    I bet if you read the original English language you would have as much difficulty in understanding it.... ( they had far too many e's in those days )

Yorky language is just the English language that's grown up and matured a bit....    Cheesy

Are you talking about those days when I and J, U and V were represented by the same letter?  And up until more recently, when the minuscule s was represented in two ways depending on whether it occurred at the end of a word?  (The long s is where mathematicians get their integral sign - see my avatar for an example - and is sometimes misread by modern eyes as an f.  The one that we kept is the round s that used to appear mainly at the ends of words.)  Or when th was represented with a single symbol?
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« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2009, 7:48 AM »

Scandinavian influences are well established in the North of England,  I think that could be another  factor.
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« Reply #13 on: January 1, 2010, 12:17 AM »

There's nowt like Yorky talk for telling people off without resorting to swearing - and nowt like Russian if you really need to swear...
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